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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason or

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we're going to be traveling in time and

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space today Richard hello me nada did

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you like my own I think the TARDIS is

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taking off again I was back now I'm glad

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we've managed to land here in the ABC

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building in Sydney Maynard for this

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episode of the skeptic Zone episode

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number 252 we are in ultimo at the

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doctor who exhibit which is looking at

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50 years of Doctor Who we've got a

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actual life-size plywood TARDIS in front

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of us here looking fantastic it is

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really nice to see a full-sized hardest

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one that makes the right noise I'm

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almost expecting it to her d materialise

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florist and then what's coming up on the

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show today Richard well we've got where

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you and I are going to have a little

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look around this exhibition and discuss

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them Doctor Who things for our skeptic

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zone Doctor Who type fans out there I've

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got some controversial things to say

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particularly about someone known as the

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unpopular Doctor Who I looked up oh yeah

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I can't read for that bit more about

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that later but what else has been going

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on The Skeptical world well just in this

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past week in bryce from the australian

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skeptics and I who do the mystery

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investigators along with dr. ohe with

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this time was Ian Bryce and I went to

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the Australian Museum and we interviewed

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lots of science educators and people

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doing science outreach for school

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students that's coming up on the show we

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also have other week in science from the

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Royal Institution of Australia a great

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little segment that is and we have a bit

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written by

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victorian skeptic by the name of mal

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Vickers all about psychic Sally ah now

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is that the English psychic Sally yes

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there might be other psychics Ali's out

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there but this one is about the english

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one who was recently in australia oh

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there's a little kid over there

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attacking a Dalek I don't know what he's

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getting into I I don't think it's going

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to end well for the kid all the darling

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garlic that's right so yes a bit about

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his thoughts on psychic Sally coming up

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episode 252 I tell you what let's get

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stuck into the show and it will come

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back after the first segment and we'll

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that noise you could hear folks it's a

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combined sound of hundreds of students

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here high school students at the

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Australian Museum here to enjoy science

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week there are volunteers here with real

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live Australian lizards like blue

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tongues and so on there's no I'm

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standing right near a stuffed koala

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on the other side but just so many

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school students here to enjoy the

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exhibitions and exhibits and information

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booths for science I'm here with my good

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friend Ian Bryce to perform the mystery

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investigators a bit later on no I'm

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being surrounded by whoops sorry

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hundreds of students at the moment we're

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all going off somewhere it's a really

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kids here so many school students here

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to find out more about science so I

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demonstrating all sorts of things Youth

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robotics Biological Sciences the

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Australian Museum themselves have a

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little stand here jenolan caves jams

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jams oh I like the sound that I like jam

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which doesn't really mean jam does it

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hello hello yeah thank you hello Rebecca

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you're from jams doesn't mean you meet

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jams or what's the story we have a

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series of talks once a month basically

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on the theme of microbiology so what

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we're here for today is to get people

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thinking about things at a much smaller

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scale and gem stands for joint academic

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microbiology seminars i like i like it

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jams i like that and let's look at the

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table here we've got a microscope setup

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looks great we've got a little

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landscaping with kangaroos this is where

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you want to start so this is looking at

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what people think of when they think

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what is living in their back garden you

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can see the dogs and wallabies and

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things the kid but we're getting people

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to think about things at a much smaller

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level so in the microscope here we've

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got basically some moss suspension

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something Wiggly in there and connect

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nematodes and different things moving

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around so you can see it's quite dynamic

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should have done but as soon as I period

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creatures slithering across the screen

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that's quite something yes so that's we

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screen that things are moving and

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that's what you're looking at over here

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as well with the mushrooms you're

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look up oh well there's a whole little

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bit of mushrooms here but the sides

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being cut away it's like a cross section

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into the earth and see their root root

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structure structure down here and this

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tree with their roots on top so when you

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small bit I had no idea that's quite

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table here we've got a sponge we've got

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some coral and we've got some different

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funghi some of it growing on agar plates

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and some you know your button mushrooms

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just like it you see on TV there's an

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agar plate with penicillin it says

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growing on it it's just like those gross

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and sometimes you can see not on this

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one at the moment the little droplets

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that are formed on the top

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our gems oh okay what microb you this

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little booklet this is all that we're

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doing this is what microbe are you we've

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different questions do you like to be

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yes to me today and then when you get to

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the end you can identify which microbe

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bacterium solarium which is one of the

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things that I look at so you could we're

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basket of toy microbes germs and these

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microbe you are I found in our basket so

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interesting display and I'm lucky I'm

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just sort of between the waves of school

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children they come by on it there was

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some heading now everyone's here what

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very different they're not just small

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and similar shapes but you can see the

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variety that exists in the different

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structures that they have on them I love

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moving in their little environment oh

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and a quick swimming one there what an

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interesting thing and the kids enjoying

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it I hope they are yeah it's been pretty

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busy the last two days fantastic Rebecca

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your time to talk about jams and the

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website folks to learn more about gems

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is jams dot org dot a you yes and we

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meet him the museum once a month so

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people can come to the seminars here

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I'm walking around the corner here with

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lots of students in the far side and I

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just noticed this very interesting

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looking thing from me a new south wales

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institute of sport there's a lovely

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young lady now with funny sort of pads

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board and what are you doing so this is

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called a slide board and i am simulating

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ice skating working on my skating stride

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and off she goes from side to side the

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back again and your body motion is

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exactly what you see going on the ice

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the ice your feet would be going

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the skating muscles just improving on

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the stride so you're a better skater

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still doing it folks she's quite kin if

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you do that for long enough when you get

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on the ice your muscles are more well

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you've worked on the work any muscles

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forms you've developed those skating

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muscles and just getting them ready for

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when you're on the ice it's obviously a

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lot different to running so you do have

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slightly different muscles that are

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being worked out quite a workout you're

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doing them oh yes and I am ice hockey

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players and even this is still hard for

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me how popular is ice hockey in

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Australia I'll promote it while I'm at

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it so go for it we've got um probably

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around 4,000 members across Australia so

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I mean it is popular there's always

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plenty of room for growth with a we have

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ice rinks in pretty much all the states

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around the country New South Wales has

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the most I think we've got about six or

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seven I'm all the way up to coffs

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harbour even there's one nearly in fact

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MC you're great Canterbury yes my home

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rink I was there last night i'll be

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there tomorrow night as well Henry week

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I go there occasionally take my nieces

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and their views they love it yes so you

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need to get him as a hockey stick and

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teach him how to play hockey I can teach

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him that I coach when I was a very small

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boy i lived in canada and my first pair

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of skates were double bladed yeah and i

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used to go with like giant and pushing

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it and finish pushing a chair around as

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well and then we use it we used to live

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a little country area we used to go and

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play curling too oh no and there's a

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funny video of me running around with a

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big broom on the curling rink you know

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about four years old or sweeping the ice

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as you go so if people want to know more

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about hockey ice hockey where can they

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go what's the website I'm easiest thing

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if you go I'm sure it has state

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associations listed there you go to them

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it'll have all the contact details or

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just look it up on on facebook again it

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will be ice hockey australia if you are

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wales does have their own Facebook page

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as well cool and for the New South Wales

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institute of sport where do we go for

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New South Wales institute of sport we

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have a facebook we have a twitter we

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also have a youtube account and our

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website is wwan SW is calm a you and

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your name is Sarah Sarah thank you very

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to give you a little bit of

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flavor what this is like this 20 30 40

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school students all young ladies as it

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happens from high school running around

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at the moment doing all sorts of

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experiments which is really great to see

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getting information about young

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scientists or physics outreach

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electricity hello again I'm just an old

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friend and I'm just here doing some

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reports for the skeptics own podcast and

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where are you from I am from the

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University of New South Wales I've just

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finished my master in magnetism research

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for data storage Oh ah I understand

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right yeah and our hard drives hard

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drives and you have some experience here

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today for the kids to enjoy we do

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certainly let's step over to the

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experiment vent well step oh it's

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another bench oh uh hello is my is my

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little recording device safe around

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these I hope so wow it's got lots of

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it's a battery there a big magnet what

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is this strange device it's a pendulum

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some if you like rollercoasters do you

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like roller coaster yes oh yes oh yes

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well on roller coasters they have a

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sneaky way to keep you safe even if you

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don't know it and it's used by magnets

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so this experiment is called

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electromagnetic braking is that the old

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breaking I thought it was the harness no

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no the braking braking so if you just

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lift up this here yeah and so we're

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lifting up a little pendulum yes it's

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lifting up we're going to swing it

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between two solenoids and we're not

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going to touch either one of the

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solenoid so if you just let go swinging

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back and forth and back and forth and if

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we come around the other side and hold

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the button down yeah I'm walking around

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here and I'm gonna press this button oh

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and now we watch the pendulum it's

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coming to a grinding halt look at that

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what happened is by pressing the button

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we simply made current go through two

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solenoids and so those solenoids produce

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a magnetic field and our piece of our

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pendulum so is simply a piece of

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aluminium and when that aluminium comes

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close to the magnetic field it sees a

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changing magnetic field because it's

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becoming closer and closer and the

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magnetic field induces a little circular

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currents in the aluminium and circular

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current induces a magnetic field and

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Lenz's law said those two opposed and

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that's why it breaks good and it did it

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didn't it didn't come to a screeching

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halt but within a few swings that we're

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stopping that's quite interesting yeah

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so if you have a larger magnet yeah an

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take a large a larger amount of voltage

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to put through our solenoids then that

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could come to a grinding halt very

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easily it certainly could now what is

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this strange tube it's quite tall it's

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got two wires sticking up through it

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it's all encased in perspect so what

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this is is called a Crookes tube or

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plasma cannon plasma cannon I like that

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sounds way better I know so if we press

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the little green button here a little

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green button i'm bound the personal

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yeah well folks you know those old

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Frankenstein movies where you see the

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arc of light traveling up the two two

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metal rods that's what I'm looking at

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right now Wow so the what's happening is

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when you press the button 25,000 volts

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would allow electrons to jump from one

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piece of metal and smash into molecules

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in the air and then jump into the other

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piece of metal and so when we press the

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button we only ever see one piece of

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light going up at a time and so the

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light is white because it's smashing

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into these molecules and we only ever

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see one because the electrons want to

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travel in the path of least resistance

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and so instead of jumping into the air

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around the arc it wants to keep going

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through the arc because that acts as a

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channel where they can easily jump

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through its I've never seen one so close

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before but I'm looking at the reaction

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on the surface of each of the metal bars

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that's quite something Wow what fun yes

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you call this a job I love this job now

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with people want to find out more where

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can they contact you or find out more

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they can go to ww outreach phys phys

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unsw edu a you we also do public talks

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liquid nitrogen workshops and other fun

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events sounds too good to be true folks

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a career in sides it's got to be for you

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right physics physics yes hey your name

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was Nicole Reynolds Nicole thank you

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very much no worries thank you what else

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do we have here beyond zero admissions

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looks interesting solar energy and hello

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we have another standing hello so who

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you I'm qatar joshi from infinite energy

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and there's a wind turbine in the back

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of your exhibition here yes there is

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it's actually a powered wind turbine but

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this morning I attached a power meter to

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our exhibition stall

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it's all continuing about a hundred

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watts so it's not consuming a lot of

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power which is good hello this is

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interesting we've got a little solar

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cell set up here attached to a tiny

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little fan yes I popped by J car this

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morning and it's I don't suspect that is

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generating a lot probably in the milly

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wat range but it also leads up to a

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demonstration yeah and that I actually

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you can it up got a little fan on the

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solar panel the fan can power a little

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wind generator down here I'm still

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waiting on a little Mountie thing to get

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it working but it's cool to see solar

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power powering a fan which powers a wind

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turbine and makes a little guy on the

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top spin now you had an article in the

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most recent issue of the the skeptic

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magazine the journal from Australia

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skeptics what was that about that

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article was about a disease called wind

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turbine syndrome that's been obviously

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attributed to people living near wind

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turbines now the article itself was

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about how people can come up with a

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conclusion and then start investigating

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it so basically whatever they find it's

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going to support their conclusion and I

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think wind turbine syndrome is a good

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example of us yeah we see that a lot in

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the skeptical circles people start with

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the conclusion and look at all

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supporting evidence instead of looking

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at the evidence and see where that leads

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exactly right and it's pretty

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astonishing with with wind turbine

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syndrome lady who first investigating it

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investigated it Nina Pierpont's in quite

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literally states that before she began

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her research she had already decided

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that it was real and I really expected

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to kind of have to work a bit harder and

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dig into the archives a little bit but

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the first thing I found was her stating

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I had decided to this is real I began

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interviewing patients and published my

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research so it's pretty stunning through

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start you can read all about that folks

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in the latest issue of the skeptic

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magazine I think we're going to have to

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cut this short because the floodgates of

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there are hundreds of kids just pouring

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through the door I've never rip earth

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being swept away right now we really are

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so I better let you get on over thank

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you very much thanks thanks rich did you

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see that UFO sighting that made the news

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what did that latest study about

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alternative treatments really say is

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this photo making the rounds real or

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we here at the ABC FOIA in ultimo where

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the 50 years of Doctor Who exhibition is

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going on and it's on every day between

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ten and four I believe it is come along

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and have a look it's absolutely free to

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have a wander through and we're here

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right in front of a Dalek it's a real

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Dalek look at that i have seen real

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Daleks from time to time QED conference

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in Manchester a real Dalek normally

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turns up but here's one in Sydney look

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the most frightening ever bad bad guy

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bad person bad thing on doctor who was

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not the Daleks not the Salah the weeping

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angels are up there but I think there

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was a jon pertwee episode where there

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was a beanbag that eight people they had

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this plastics factory unit got involved

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with the whole thing l left left fridge

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to it was in fact the Autons it could

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have been but they had this guy they

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said I'll please sit on our bean bag and

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the bean bag just ate him swallowed him

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up how dangerous is that I remember that

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if we look behind us here there's a huge

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wall of Doctor Who which sort of charts

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all the years and major points in this

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there are panels everywhere so victory

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to the Daleks over there a Christmas

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invasion dollars you have a look and it

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says the reason why the

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has regenerated at various times

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throughout the series but the Tom Baker

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one will have to be one of the lamest of

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them all it says the doctor regenerates

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after a fall what does he have a bad hip

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or something he does it was getting old

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a bit and he fell off his know if he'll

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from am is phil from a radio telescope i

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seem to remember i'm sure as a big fall

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but also there's ones here to why

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various people why various partners

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decide to leave you can find out why any

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of his companions decides to leave

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there's one of the hero mana romana

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elects to leave the TARDIS to fight

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slavery in a space now she could have

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gone on foot slavery on ebay that would

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be much more effective that's right or

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um II space you've got to wonder about a

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space don't you what do they do at

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eastbay particularly 1981 yeah oh yes

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very dodgy what is your favorite episode

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of doctor who ever have you got one no

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no of course not because when i started

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watching it was way back in the very

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early 70s in australia when we had

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patrick troughton and i remember those

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very well but I was very very fond of

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Jon Pertwee's doctor and I think some of

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those stories the green death I remember

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quite well actually takes him I took

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some notes on this because I thought

539
00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:24,290
look if I'm go I'm not really a whovian

540
00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:25,700
all that much I had to listen to the

541
00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:27,560
Doctor Who podcast which I would

542
00:22:30,130 --> 00:22:28,790
recommend it's simply called the Doctor

543
00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:30,140
Who podcast they were saying some

544
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:31,430
interesting stuff but I think my

545
00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:34,450
favorite pisode would have to be

546
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:37,430
carnival of monsters I had to look it up

547
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:39,530
it was good we yes because because they

548
00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:40,850
were talking about voyage of the Damned

549
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:42,560
and that's the one that carly was on and

550
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:43,970
that made me think of the ship that they

551
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:45,170
were on I thought hang on a minute

552
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:47,030
voyage of the Damned which is a machine

553
00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:49,010
that had monsters and boats and things

554
00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:50,630
and jon pertwee gets trapped in there

555
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,680
all the monsters and the boats and

556
00:22:54,970 --> 00:22:53,360
everything get mixed up and that's why

557
00:22:55,870 --> 00:22:54,980
you so remember that I but it just

558
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:55,880
occurred to me one of my all-time

559
00:23:01,390 --> 00:22:57,770
favorites would have to be either the

560
00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:01,400
mascarpone dragger or the one where the

561
00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:03,260
doctor was more or less a Sherlock

562
00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:04,940
Holmes character was in the bait Tom

563
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:06,950
Baker here and the name just eludes me

564
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:09,900
for the moment the talons of wangcheng

565
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:12,570
mr. right yes yes it was it was it was

566
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,860
set in Jack the Ripper London that's

567
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:15,360
right and he was virtually a Sherlock

568
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:16,410
Holmes character that was a great

569
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:19,500
episode a great adventure well and as

570
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,820
you look here on the board you can see

571
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:22,260
that of course there's that big gap

572
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,880
where they just did a movie in the 90s

573
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:25,620
yeah yeah we were all worried it

574
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:28,110
wouldn't come back and then suddenly we

575
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,970
heard rumors and before we knew it it

576
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:31,740
came back it was great isn't it great

577
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:32,910
that Matt Smith has been able to bring

578
00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:35,760
back the popularity of the Fez we look

579
00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:38,220
yep see that young lady down there is a

580
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:39,870
girl wearing a fez hearing affairs and

581
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,970
pretty much at any any kanya go now

582
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:43,620
there's always someone with a red face I

583
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:46,140
think it's marvelous I wonder what the

584
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:47,820
new doctor will bring back ma let's have

585
00:24:02,660 --> 00:24:00,480
a bit further look down here welcome to

586
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a week in science from our iOS bringing

587
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you the science news you need to know

588
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this week in science saw brain activity

589
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after death language affecting vision

590
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and heart trouble there's an app for

591
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us researchers have used rats to

592
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investigate near-death experiences the

593
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rats displayed a big surge of brain

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activity immediately after cardiac

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arrest that's after their heart stopped

596
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beating and blood stopped flowing to the

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brain around twenty percent of human

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cardiac arrest survivors report having a

599
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near-death experience such as visions

600
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potentially stemming from residual brain

601
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activity close to death the researchers

602
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said their study provides the first

603
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scientific framework for these

604
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near-death experiences have you ever

605
00:25:02,810 --> 00:24:59,460
wondered why females are so preoccupied

606
00:25:05,419 --> 00:25:02,820
with elaborate male displays many male

607
00:25:07,489 --> 00:25:05,429
animals have bright colors big antlers

608
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long plumage and other features that

609
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,169
attract females but we haven't really

610
00:25:15,499 --> 00:25:13,440
understood why it turns to mom a new

611
00:25:18,139 --> 00:25:15,509
theory this week suggests that females

612
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use the displays as an indicator of

613
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genetic compatibility particularly the

614
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genes involved in producing healthy

615
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offspring so the old adage appears to be

616
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true it's really what's on the inside

617
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that counts you're listening to a week

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in science from RI oz and now for

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science headlines in 30 seconds the

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discovery of the oldest near the toll

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bone tools in Europe suggests that they

622
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were less influenced by modern humans

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than we thought a new window can

624
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selectively block heat and visible light

625
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by applying specific voltages to glass a

626
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revolutionary iphone app and special

627
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case can quickly and cheaply detect

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heart rhythm problems potentially

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preventing strokes and hearing a word of

630
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an otherwise invisible object can help

631
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you to see it last week we asked you how

632
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did dolphins recognize their buddies

633
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after 20 years it's by their whistles

634
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the link to the paper is on our website

635
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that's it for this week in science for

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more information on these stories and

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other science news go to the rirs

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website RI au s org a you follow us on

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Twitter using the hashtag weekend

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sigh i'm paul willis and i'll catch you

641
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,730
next week hey guys this is jay from the

642
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skeptics guide to the universe er well

643
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:43,170
hold on whoa everybody knows I'm the

644
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,580
only reason to listen to the Freak Show

645
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:46,500
right I mean it was up to me the show

646
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:52,350
would start with this yeah boy well

647
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,809
Rebecca would hate that probably but I

648
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:56,640
mean I'd rock that listen to our show

649
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,960
and you can learn about cool stuff like

650
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a technological singularity which is

651
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:01,500
someday when technology progresses so

652
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:03,030
fast that it would make the Industrial

653
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,380
Revolution look like a kid science

654
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:07,440
project anyway come check us out at WWDC

655
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:17,340
epic sky org get your son and here's the

656
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:18,750
doctor who exhibit there's some costumes

657
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:20,130
as well know this would be this would be

658
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:21,660
David Tennant said we're looking at

659
00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:22,980
wouldn't it would certainly is with the

660
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,990
the figures and the sort of the brown

661
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,080
and brown shirt with blue stripes and

662
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:31,440
the bounder not sure suit yes and what's

663
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:32,610
the first thing that strikes you're

664
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,230
looking at David Tennant's costume if

665
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:35,880
indeed that is actually David Tennant's

666
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,860
costume not one then just knocked up

667
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:39,120
what's the thing that strikes you most

668
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:42,900
about it the tie know how thin is you

669
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:46,530
how thin is he yes i like the tie but

670
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,929
you're right it's a very thin suit yes

671
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:50,460
although actually when you get along

672
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:52,860
when you see matt smith suit he's even

673
00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:54,870
thinner than david tennant's good grief

674
00:27:59,480 --> 00:27:56,790
you're probably right and he had the

675
00:28:01,160 --> 00:27:59,490
braces too which I like hmm which I like

676
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,170
of course over there we've got the

677
00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:03,120
Companions wall as well with the larger

678
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:05,480
companion photos there now of course

679
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:08,130
really only the most popular for me was

680
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,410
Leela it does knowing I think Leela had

681
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,000
a large effect on a lot of Tom Baker

682
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:14,340
fans it in many ways in many ways yes

683
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:15,809
although under that we've got rose tyler

684
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:17,370
of course which other but she brought

685
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:20,610
the whole family with her she did she go

686
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:23,010
to was a season pass to the TARDIS and

687
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:25,530
berto whole family along I look I've

688
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:27,450
actually got the three reasons why I

689
00:28:30,650 --> 00:28:29,610
actually don't like Doctor Who I do but

690
00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:30,660
there's be three reasons why you

691
00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:32,160
wouldn't like Doctor Who the episode

692
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:34,800
let's kill hitler the episode the

693
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,740
episode the doctor's wife now a lot of

694
00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:39,120
people love that

695
00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:41,040
I didn't mind that I nah I didn't like

696
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,150
that I said come on enough of this

697
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:44,520
emotional gunk and two two more words

698
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:47,670
third reason River Song I'll come on

699
00:28:51,410 --> 00:28:49,980
River Song everyone likes River Song

700
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:51,420
don't they know I'd like a completely

701
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:55,050
taken out of the timeline listeners may

702
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:56,580
have their own thoughts on that of

703
00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:57,570
course they do that's why I like to be

704
00:29:02,000 --> 00:28:59,610
controversial as we talk about the

705
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,010
unpopular doctor now the unpopular

706
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:03,840
doctor now I could be wrong about this

707
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:07,650
is a rule the unpopular doctor I believe

708
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:09,510
now a lot of people seem to think it

709
00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:11,010
might have been peter davidson because

710
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,929
it was following Tom Baker who was quite

711
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:14,820
popular but peter davidson did a pretty

712
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,850
good job I think Colin Baker is known as

713
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,380
the unpopular doctor you know I I

714
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:21,600
enjoyed his doctor in fact he's the only

715
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,620
one I've met the only doctor I've met as

716
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,600
is Colin Baker some years ago here in

717
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:29,460
Sydney he was absolutely charming and

718
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:31,380
when I was when he was the doctor was my

719
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:32,610
last two years of high school which were

720
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:34,830
particularly horrendous for me and I

721
00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:36,210
would escape you know come home and

722
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,040
watch Doctor Who to to escape the

723
00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:40,620
horrors of my high school experience so

724
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:42,870
I got a soft spot for Colin Baker the

725
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:44,730
reason that i mentioned him is unpopular

726
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:46,050
line is because i think he tried to do

727
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:47,190
something different with the character i

728
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:49,110
think he might've even actually have

729
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:51,090
tried to introduce a bit of the doctor

730
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,190
being a conflicted personality for the

731
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,620
almost the first time anyways nice and

732
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,720
not always nice and and maybe what

733
00:30:01,790 --> 00:30:00,240
partial to a touch of beef mary is were

734
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:01,800
just seeing a video of him now on trial

735
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:05,100
in fact he had well I mean the doctors

736
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:06,360
always got a touch of arrogance about

737
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:08,070
him but there you can see he said he's

738
00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:10,050
he's big arrogant guy I don't know if I

739
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:12,870
really i thought the costume was was fun

740
00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:14,940
and interesting but i don't know if a

741
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:17,670
date so well it's something we also need

742
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,610
to remind people about Doctor Who is

743
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,960
when has there been a male lead

744
00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:24,120
character of any particular run of any

745
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:27,630
series who's been so nonviolent James

746
00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:31,080
Bond no I take that back I mean look to

747
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,390
find a non-violent character as much as

748
00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:34,320
Doctor Who you'd have to go to the

749
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:35,550
Gilmore Girls or something like that

750
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:37,770
he's been known to have a bit of a beef

751
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:40,440
Oh dr. Lee's you know

752
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:43,260
Ben Venusian Jitsu or something I

753
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:44,790
remember but it's not his first resort

754
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:46,380
he never carries a gun he's and I got

755
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:47,490
that sonic screwdriver which

756
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:49,110
occasionally worked depending on whether

757
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:50,910
he's charged and I'm like yeah that's

758
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:53,130
right now you're right you're right now

759
00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:55,170
he tries to solve his problems in other

760
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:57,150
ways how do you think doctor who suits

761
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,750
as a skeptic because he does apply the

762
00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:02,480
scientific method but yeah in

763
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,390
consistently all very very but I I like

764
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:08,940
the fact that that he's a hero and when

765
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:11,190
I was a kid he was a hero for people

766
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:13,290
like me who was an intelligent man

767
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,330
solving problems with science and reason

768
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,460
and you know okay a bit of action and

769
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:19,860
adventure but then of course the show

770
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:22,050
slips into things like the paranormal

771
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:24,330
and and all this sort of stuff but you

772
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:25,860
know what in that universe you allow it

773
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:27,930
it's fantasy it's fiction but yeah

774
00:31:32,540 --> 00:31:30,120
basically speaking I think for science I

775
00:31:34,670 --> 00:31:32,550
think he's a great character he is

776
00:31:36,530 --> 00:31:34,680
someone who's always unconventional he's

777
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:36,540
always strange he's always he's always

778
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:39,690
by definition and outsider and unusual

779
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:41,730
but he seems to always know do the right

780
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:43,770
thing even if he doesn't appear do the

781
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:46,140
right thing he usually does I think

782
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,310
there's something in that in that like

783
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:49,980
people that are at that are weird do the

784
00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:52,950
right thing it usually does the right

785
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:54,870
thing but I mean the later doctors of

786
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:55,980
course that they are the really

787
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:58,050
conflicted once much more than the early

788
00:32:00,560 --> 00:31:59,610
ones which is interesting and why not

789
00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:00,570
you know they will the show has to

790
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,400
evolve well by the time you've got ten

791
00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:04,380
personalities preceding you there's a

792
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:05,550
chance that there could be you could be

793
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:08,970
carrying a bit of baggage a man is the

794
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:10,500
sum of these memories you know a Time

795
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:22,470
from the pages of the Victorian skeptics

796
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:27,480
website WWE Vick skeptics wordpress com

797
00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:31,360
another big psychic show rolls into town

798
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:33,520
by Mel Vickers with assistance from

799
00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:36,940
Martin Hadley never has any psychic ever

800
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:39,160
passed a rigorous scientific test of

801
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:41,350
their claimed ability while most

802
00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:43,570
skeptics are well aware of this you'd

803
00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:45,100
think the media and society in general

804
00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:48,340
knew nothing of it imagine what kind of

805
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:50,920
world it would be if from tomorrow

806
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:53,530
psychics really did have the abilities

807
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:56,350
they claim to possess the prizes from

808
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:58,330
the next lottery would go to a series of

809
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:01,260
psychics presumably in order of merit

810
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:03,880
fairly soon non psychics would stop

811
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:06,070
buying tickets and the lotteries would

812
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:08,230
fold there wouldn't be much point in

813
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:10,810
casinos bingo or the horse races either

814
00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:14,380
the world we inhabit isn't like that we

815
00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:16,150
have lotteries and casinos that make a

816
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:18,400
fortune despite the presence of many

817
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:19,980
psychics who traveled the world

818
00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:23,940
flaunting their talents in July 2013

819
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,140
Australia played host to a visit from a

820
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:28,720
prominent uk-based self-proclaimed

821
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:31,330
psychic Sally Morgan Sally did a number

822
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:33,910
of shows across Australia her shows the

823
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:36,310
big events like those of John Edward and

824
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:39,130
the late Doris Stokes the athenaeum

825
00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:41,140
theatre in Melbourne which posted sally

826
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:44,140
morgan seats about a thousand people the

827
00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:46,360
emphasis is on her supposed messages

828
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:48,700
from the departed these big psychic

829
00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:50,560
performances and not at all like the

830
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:53,560
stereotypical local fare gypsy with her

831
00:33:58,350 --> 00:33:55,990
tent and crystal ball whom you might pay

832
00:34:00,840 --> 00:33:58,360
a few dollars for a giggle yes I know

833
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:00,850
skeptics should always hold out hope

834
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:02,770
that a real psychic may turn up one day

835
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:05,740
but for how long for many years now the

836
00:34:10,169 --> 00:34:08,010
Australian skeptics have offered

837
00:34:13,110 --> 00:34:10,179
$100,000 to anybody who can demonstrate

838
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,120
a paranormal ability including psychic

839
00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:15,760
ability even greater sums of money are

840
00:34:21,149 --> 00:34:18,909
on offer elsewhere in the world testing

841
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:21,159
psychics can be quite straightforward if

842
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:24,100
a simple yet robust test protocol can be

843
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:26,919
agreed upon for example many psychics

844
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,070
claim to be able to do

845
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:30,320
readings from photographs a person might

846
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:32,180
send a photograph of a deceased relative

847
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,850
to a psychic and the breathed and the

848
00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:36,800
psychic would then hook up by a phone

849
00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:38,990
for a reading the psychic would then

850
00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:40,520
typically claim to be using the

851
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:42,470
photograph to help connect with the

852
00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:44,840
deceased and would also typically claim

853
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:47,180
not to be getting information from the

854
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:50,030
bereaved relative to test if this is

855
00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:52,940
true exclude the relative from the test

856
00:34:58,060 --> 00:34:55,390
and pose this question to the psychic

857
00:35:00,460 --> 00:34:58,070
here are the photographs of some dearly

858
00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:00,470
departed would you please get in contact

859
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:03,080
with the spirit world and ask them their

860
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:05,630
names our phones remain steadfastly

861
00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:07,610
silent despite the large sums of money

862
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:10,190
on offer and to those shopping mall or

863
00:35:14,830 --> 00:35:12,170
we can market twenty dollar psychics who

864
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:14,840
don't necessarily do it for the money we

865
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:17,270
say can you think of a charity that

866
00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:18,710
could use a hundred thousand dollars

867
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:21,020
courtesy of the Australian skeptics in

868
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:23,690
October 2011 sally morgan was asked

869
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:25,730
publicly to take part in a test of her

870
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:28,700
psychic abilities in the UK the test

871
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:30,140
protocol was put together by chris

872
00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:32,300
french a professor of psychology in the

873
00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:35,180
UK also on the test panel was science

874
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:37,220
writer Simon Singh and members of the

875
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:39,950
Merseyside skeptics society on offer was

876
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:42,890
1 million u.s. dollars this was a

877
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:45,110
serious offer who would want to pass up

878
00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:47,690
a million dollars Sally could have kept

879
00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:49,880
the money herself or given it to charity

880
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:53,150
Sally Morgan's lawyers reportedly stated

881
00:35:58,930 --> 00:35:56,270
you will know that we all have far more

882
00:36:02,340 --> 00:35:58,940
important things to do than to take part

883
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:02,350
in this or any other test at this point

884
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:05,210
she will not attend a Liverpool or at

885
00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:07,550
any other time skeptics have

886
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,860
investigated how to perform like a

887
00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:13,040
psychic their abilities can be imitated

888
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:15,380
in many ways the method that produces

889
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:17,780
the best and most spectacular hits is

890
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:20,780
known as hot reading the performer uses

891
00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:22,730
information actually obtained from the

892
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:24,340
subject before the readings start

893
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,630
psychic performers have been caught

894
00:36:30,610 --> 00:36:28,640
obtaining information through

895
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:30,620
questionnaires conversations with the

896
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:32,420
audience members before the show and

897
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:35,690
even from the internet cold reading is

898
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:37,940
where the performer uses a variety of

899
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:40,430
skills after the reading has started to

900
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,490
discreetly

901
00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:44,560
straight from the subject or to get

902
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,740
agreement from the subject to various

903
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:50,560
careful suggestions done cleverly the

904
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:52,390
performer appears to be getting

905
00:36:58,589 --> 00:36:55,630
information through psychic skills cold

906
00:37:00,839 --> 00:36:58,599
reading can work well not so well but

907
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:00,849
compared to hot reading it has always

908
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:03,010
had the advantage that the performer

909
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:05,339
cannot be busted techniques include

910
00:37:11,790 --> 00:37:08,530
shrewd observation of the subject what

911
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:11,800
demographic is the subject age how they

912
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:13,720
dressed why would they be here at a

913
00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:16,390
psychic show you could go fishing for

914
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:19,540
clues you ask questions that don't sound

915
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:22,510
like obvious questions does this make

916
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,089
sense to you therefore the subject will

917
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:27,520
help you they believe in psychic

918
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,710
abilities they'll unknowingly provide

919
00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:31,599
you with the answers there are also

920
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:34,300
statements that cover all bases the

921
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:37,210
rainbow rouge for example your father

922
00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:40,540
was at times cold but you knew his warm

923
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:43,720
side he was in fact both cold and warm

924
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,180
like most people you've covered all the

925
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:48,400
bases and everything in between the

926
00:37:53,069 --> 00:37:50,710
subject will smile and degree what's

927
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:53,079
also important is the perception of the

928
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,050
audience people will naturally remember

929
00:38:01,410 --> 00:37:58,240
the hits and forget the misses for

930
00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:01,420
example Wow wasn't it amazing how the

931
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:03,550
psychic knew your father was such a warm

932
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:06,310
friendly person the comment about him

933
00:38:11,099 --> 00:38:09,250
also being cold is forgotten this is

934
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:11,109
just a very quick look at the big

935
00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:13,900
subject of cold reading there is an

936
00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:15,790
excellent book available on the methods

937
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:19,150
of cold reading by Ian Roland the full

938
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:21,550
facts book of cold reading such people

939
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,119
as Ian and local skeptic Lynn Kelly have

940
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:27,780
shown how intelligence empathy and

941
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:30,550
practice can allow any person to

942
00:38:36,809 --> 00:38:34,150
demonstrate apparent psychic powers Lynn

943
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:36,819
has amazed believers with the accuracy

944
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,130
of her readings I'll need to confess to

945
00:38:45,089 --> 00:38:42,400
them later on that she was a fake you

946
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:45,099
can guess how good she is from the fact

947
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:47,130
that customers have told her many times

948
00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:50,280
that she really does have psychic powers

949
00:38:55,749 --> 00:38:53,260
it's just that she does not realize it

950
00:38:58,269 --> 00:38:55,759
herself some rational thinkers

951
00:39:01,539 --> 00:38:58,279
except what psychics do with a kind of

952
00:39:03,999 --> 00:39:01,549
paternalistic justification oh well

953
00:39:06,669 --> 00:39:04,009
those that believe in that kind of thing

954
00:39:08,889 --> 00:39:06,679
sometimes need closure with departed

955
00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:08,899
loved ones so why not let them have it

956
00:39:13,899 --> 00:39:11,059
I'm not a fan of this apologetic

957
00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:13,909
thinking would it perhaps be better if

958
00:39:17,499 --> 00:39:15,229
the people sought help from a

959
00:39:19,659 --> 00:39:17,509
professional grief counselor a grief

960
00:39:22,359 --> 00:39:19,669
counselor should be capable of giving

961
00:39:24,339 --> 00:39:22,369
people the same kind of help if you

962
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:24,349
argue that only psychics can offer

963
00:39:29,769 --> 00:39:26,749
benefit to grieving people then how does

964
00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:29,779
that compare with the harm that might be

965
00:39:35,139 --> 00:39:31,819
caused there are many documented cases

966
00:39:37,929 --> 00:39:35,149
where psychics have caused harp on the

967
00:39:40,389 --> 00:39:37,939
what's the harm website there are

968
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:40,399
accounts of a lady who lost her life

969
00:39:45,939 --> 00:39:43,130
savings to a psychic / con artist and

970
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,949
the child who died because a psychic /

971
00:39:50,859 --> 00:39:48,079
healer convinced her parents to change

972
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,869
her medication the parents of a missing

973
00:39:55,689 --> 00:39:52,880
child were told that their child was

974
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:55,699
dead for years later he was found alive

975
00:40:01,599 --> 00:39:58,609
the long list of loss of wealth health

976
00:40:04,389 --> 00:40:01,609
and in some cases life is worth a read

977
00:40:07,479 --> 00:40:04,399
by anyone who may think psychics do no

978
00:40:09,759 --> 00:40:07,489
harm to be fair these problems aren't

979
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:09,769
always caused by the big name psychic

980
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:12,049
performers typically promoters of the

981
00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:14,209
big touring psychic shows will try to

982
00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:17,299
market them to the media TV snippets of

983
00:40:21,969 --> 00:40:19,339
the psychics performances appear to

984
00:40:24,459 --> 00:40:21,979
focus on close relatives of people who

985
00:40:26,919 --> 00:40:24,469
have died take a look at Sally Morgan's

986
00:40:29,439 --> 00:40:26,929
promotional video on YouTube audience

987
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:29,449
members who are called to stand up for a

988
00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:31,369
public reading look and sound quite

989
00:40:36,399 --> 00:40:33,889
distressed particularly when Sally

990
00:40:38,289 --> 00:40:36,409
voices the deceased what is really

991
00:40:41,529 --> 00:40:38,299
strange is how the most prominent

992
00:40:43,299 --> 00:40:41,539
psychics and high earning psychics have

993
00:40:45,999 --> 00:40:43,309
a disclaimer that they are only

994
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:46,009
entertainers when self-proclaimed

995
00:40:51,609 --> 00:40:48,380
psychic John Edwards television show

996
00:40:54,279 --> 00:40:51,619
crossing over aired on Australian TV one

997
00:40:57,099 --> 00:40:54,289
might have noticed at the very end of

998
00:41:00,879 --> 00:40:57,109
the credits and just for three seconds a

999
00:41:02,739 --> 00:41:00,889
text disclaimer it states in part the

1000
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,749
producer has relied heavily on

1001
00:41:06,819 --> 00:41:05,119
contributions of John Edward and other

1002
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:06,829
third parties in the creation of this

1003
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:09,410
program which has been produced for

1004
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,080
entertainment purposes only sally morgan

1005
00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:14,000
used a similar disclaimer for her

1006
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:16,670
australian shows sally morgan is an

1007
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:19,070
experimental / investigational there are

1008
00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:21,470
no guaranteed or certain results and the

1009
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:23,590
show is for the purposes of

1010
00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:26,570
entertainment so it's all just for

1011
00:41:30,070 --> 00:41:28,340
entertainment I have a hard time

1012
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:30,080
reconciling that with the claims of

1013
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:32,840
psychic abilities in Sally Morgan's

1014
00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:36,170
promotional video she says you know when

1015
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:39,080
you think about it these messages where

1016
00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:42,200
are they coming from the ether as they

1017
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:45,020
say one generally expects professional

1018
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:47,350
people to be able to do what they claim

1019
00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:50,420
motor mechanics fix cars bankers borrow

1020
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:52,460
and lend money cabinet makers make

1021
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:56,090
cabinets and so on however psychics have

1022
00:42:00,340 --> 00:41:58,250
never been able to show under carefully

1023
00:42:03,010 --> 00:42:00,350
controlled conditions that they are

1024
00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:03,020
indeed psychic I'm yet to find a motor

1025
00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:04,780
mechanic who fixes cars for

1026
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:07,220
entertainment purposes only perhaps

1027
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:10,430
there are some that do shrug my motor

1028
00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:12,770
mechanic whistles sometimes but I

1029
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:15,350
digress have I missed something here is

1030
00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:17,810
it ethical to use the relatives of

1031
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:19,880
people who have died to market

1032
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:23,030
entertainment Thank You Mel Vickers with

1033
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:25,010
assistance from Martin Hadley for

1034
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:27,290
writing that report again you can read

1035
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:29,330
more from Victorian skeptics at Vic

1036
00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:42,910
have you heard the one about how the

1037
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,869
Illuminati in conjunction with the US

1038
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:46,400
government are hiding the existence of

1039
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:48,170
aliens in order to ensure the supply of

1040
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:50,630
helium is kept low or the CIA the

1041
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:51,890
militant wing of the Freemasons are

1042
00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:53,660
working with the elders of zion to take

1043
00:42:57,579 --> 00:42:55,099
control of the population of the world

1044
00:42:59,380 --> 00:42:57,589
through fluoridated chemtrails canberra

1045
00:43:00,849 --> 00:42:59,390
skeptics incorporated on behalf of the

1046
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:00,859
shadow government will be massing an

1047
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,569
array of dark forces for the australian

1048
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:05,119
skeptics national convention 2013 this

1049
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,890
convention has conspired to coincide

1050
00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:08,480
with the 50th anniversary of the

1051
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:10,790
assassination of John F Kennedy possibly

1052
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:12,470
the most famous conspiracy theory of all

1053
00:43:16,359 --> 00:43:14,510
time if you've ever wanted to learn

1054
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:16,369
about the truth behind the death of JFK

1055
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:18,290
what makes for a good conspiracy theory

1056
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,180
and why they are so prevalent Canberra

1057
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:22,190
skeptics invites you to attend that is

1058
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:23,930
of course should you choose to accept it

1059
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:26,930
come to national skeptics convention org

1060
00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:29,540
and just remember they will be watching

1061
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:42,260
we've come to the end of the Doctor Who

1062
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:44,130
exhibition here at ABC ultimate we were

1063
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:46,980
almost gone into ABC news 24 I'm I got

1064
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,750
on there bit of lube you through the

1065
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:50,160
broadcasting I think you should me not

1066
00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:51,480
yeah now we were trying to sit in the

1067
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,860
background and pull faces and everything

1068
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:54,660
but they actually change actually blue

1069
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:56,520
screen the window out so that people

1070
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:57,660
can't be seen in the background was a

1071
00:44:01,580 --> 00:43:58,980
bit i just wanted to go down there and

1072
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:01,590
pull faces never never and that we

1073
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:03,510
actually in front some of the masks of

1074
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,160
some of the bad the evil people here at

1075
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:07,500
dr who and this is a rather innocuous

1076
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:10,320
looking piece of plastic and fiberglass

1077
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:11,880
here but this actually scared the kapu p

1078
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,470
adding it was a kid yeah when i was a

1079
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:15,540
kid forget that the pig monster here or

1080
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:17,910
the the the OOD I thought the Daleks

1081
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:20,580
were scary but this one to me of all the

1082
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,890
Doctor Who thing creatures whatever this

1083
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:24,240
one gave me the creeps more than

1084
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:26,700
anything else it's a Cyberman if anybody

1085
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:30,660
watches the early tom baker stuff you'll

1086
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:33,830
see cyber mats that they are like

1087
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:36,330
mechanical rats in a way but they would

1088
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,950
leap on people and kill them and that

1089
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:40,020
was really scary thought because you

1090
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:41,340
could be sitting there eating your

1091
00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:42,810
breakfast on this thing just rolls on

1092
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,790
the carpet behind you jumps up and

1093
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,000
before you know it it was scary look

1094
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,460
dude are pretty scary bit like it's no

1095
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:52,560
weeping angels I mean come on a monster

1096
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:54,750
that comes up on you and all your just

1097
00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:58,440
look away or blink again know when you

1098
00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:00,570
were scary as the bean bag that eats you

1099
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:02,100
you know as a child I couldn't sit down

1100
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:03,480
sit on the bean bag for about three

1101
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:06,150
years another really early memory I have

1102
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:09,210
just an early memory of television is

1103
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:10,620
the episode of doctor who is probably

1104
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,800
the same one where somebody's talking on

1105
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:15,720
the telephone and the master is at the

1106
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:16,890
other end of the phone and he does

1107
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:19,080
something with the device and the phone

1108
00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:20,970
cord attacks the person on the other end

1109
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:22,950
and wraps at her and wraps around their

1110
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:25,980
neck that was really scary would you

1111
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,150
just think he went to all that trouble

1112
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,800
and now he's being defeated by the

1113
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:31,800
invention of mobile phones I'll get you

1114
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:33,660
with that what do you know mate it's not

1115
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:35,070
it's not working my not going to happen

1116
00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:37,530
what kind of mastery you that was scary

1117
00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:40,080
I admit I was I was scared by that no

1118
00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:41,670
scared by the Cyberman but in a

1119
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:43,260
delightful way well it's been a

1120
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:44,820
frightening episode here at the skeptics

1121
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:47,249
earn it certainly has

1122
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:50,170
what about coming up on next week next

1123
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,670
week skeptic zone well you know what

1124
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:54,480
it's like Doctor Who it's a mystery I

1125
00:46:02,400 --> 00:45:59,920
more of your interviews with malo cos

1126
00:46:04,979 --> 00:46:02,410
Eddie ah the man the man who worked for

1127
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:04,989
NASA and what NASA used to be before was

1128
00:46:08,759 --> 00:46:06,910
NASA early days of NASA that's a really

1129
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:08,769
fascinating series into interviews more

1130
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:10,630
of that coming up next week apart from

1131
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:12,910
that listeners you'll just have to wait

1132
00:46:15,479 --> 00:46:14,230
and see with a find out we're gonna have

1133
00:46:17,729 --> 00:46:15,489
a bit of a look around and if you could

1134
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:17,739
take one bit of the exhibition home what

1135
00:46:22,109 --> 00:46:20,380
would it be for me it's Kylie Minogue's

1136
00:46:23,989 --> 00:46:22,119
outfit from voyage of the Damned but

1137
00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:23,999
that's for incredibly personal reasons

1138
00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:26,380
just walking up to that now we'll look

1139
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:28,630
over to our right in a little glass box

1140
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:32,170
we have Tom Baker's scarf I think that

1141
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:33,970
would have to be it for me yeah because

1142
00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:36,130
I mean didn't all you know high school

1143
00:46:39,989 --> 00:46:37,900
kids get into long scarf suddenly when

1144
00:46:42,299 --> 00:46:39,999
Tom Tom Baker came out I had one it

1145
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,309
curled a bit it wasn't quite the right

1146
00:46:45,779 --> 00:46:44,079
sort but I did have one well let's take

1147
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:45,789
a journey in time and space and see next

1148
00:46:55,799 --> 00:46:52,420
time on there's a gap digs own you've

1149
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:55,809
been listening to the skeptic zone visit

1150
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:00,400
our website at www skeptics on TV for